The Janine Bolon Show with Jeremy McDonald - 99 Authors Project, Season 5, Episode 4

The 99 Authors Project – Season 5 – Episode 4 with Jeremy McDonald

Jeremy McDonald

Jeremy is an International Best-Selling Author and Speaker who has shared the virtual & live stages with many of the leading speakers of our time including Sharon Lechter, Lisa Nichols, Joe Vitale, Forbes Riley, Lisa Williams & Kevin Harrington. Jeremy has over 25 years of experience as a public speaker, coach, and energetic healer. With his diverse range of experience that spans from corporate settings to spiritual retreats in the mountains, Jeremy has been able to help many people find their full potential by aligning with their souls. I have found a great many people follow a purpose that was given to them because of influence from other people but not because they were following what was deep in their hearts. I help people peel back the layers to find out what is being said to them at the core of their being.

Transcript of the Show

Bryan Hyde
Welcome to the Janine Bolon show, where we share tips from around the globe. As we guide practical people with their finances using money tips, increase their incomes through side businesses, and maintain their sanity by staying in their creative zone.

Janine Bolon
Hey, welcome to the show today’s show we are bringing you quality content on saving your time saving your money and how about staying sane during these crazy times we’re living in right now. This is the Janine Bolon Show and it is a syndicated program of four different podcasts that were combined in October of 2021. Three Minute Money Tips, The Thriving Solopreneur, The Writers Hour Creative Conversations and The Practical Mystic Show were programs that we’re running since 2017. We’ve produced over 300 episodes; we’ve interviewed over 219 guests and today we are spotlighting one of our authors that is contributing to the 99 Authors Project. Our man Jeremy also known as the Storytelling Alchemist. He is an international bestselling author and speaker who has shared the virtual and live stages with many of the leading speakers of our time. Just check out this name dropping here, Sharon Lechter, Lisa Nichols, Joe Vitale, Forbes Riley, Lisa Williams and Kevin Harrington. Now Jeremy has over 25 years of experience as a public speaker, coach, and energetic healer. With his diverse range of experience that spans from corporate settings to spiritual retreats in the mountains, where we are here in lovely Rocky Mountains in Colorado, Jeremy has been able to help many people find their full potential by aligning with their souls, I have found a great many people follow a purpose it was given to them because of the influence of other people. But what Jeremy wants to do is have you look deep within your own heart so that you can peel back those layers and figure out really what is at the core of your being. I highly recommend that you check out his book, Peace Be Still. Thank you so much for joining us on the show, Jeremy.

Jeremy McDonald
Well, thank you so much for having me. It’s very much an honor and I’m very excited about our interview today.

Janine Bolon
And thank you so much for coming with us mainly because we’d like to pick your brain on something a little bit different than you probably what you wrote your book on. And that is we really want to know about the journey. So if you don’t mind telling us a little bit about what on earth ever made you decide to write the book on Peace Be Still, I mean, what’s the story behind the story on that?

Jeremy McDonald
Well, I came up because I had spent many, many years. Like a lot of us with a low self-esteem, I didn’t think very highly of myself. I mean, some people can really relate to this story. I had never in any shape or any thought that I would write a book. I mean, I wrote classes for corporate America, but nothing like this. And I had I got a D in college and grammar and English. So to me, I was like, there’s no way I’m gonna write a book. And then one of my friends said, that’s why they have editor’s, Jer. And so I finally it took me about four years of writing and then throwing things away and writing and throwing things away. And then finally, I came up with a book and a friend of mine said, why don’t you throw all the other writing away? That could have been something for another book, you know, just you know, you’re learning because you’re just starting out. But what did I do? I started judging it and all that kind of stuff. But basically, the idea of Peace Be Still was like, I had struggled with addiction. And so I thought, why don’t we call this book about how I Peace Be Still because it’s how I found peace in my life. And the process of how I continue to maintain that balance in my life. And how I get myself back into balance when I get out of we know this is a process. So I decided to call it Peace Be Still. And so it just I did not know when I wrote it, though, that there’s another book out there that talks about Peace Be Still, it’s the number one selling book in America, that it’s a quote in the Bible. I did not know that when I made that name. But it works. And it really describes what I what I plan on doing with it.

Janine Bolon
Well, so for people who know we’re talking about Peace Be Still by Jeremy McDonald. This is the author. This is the book just so that we get the SEO correct. And people get the right book because I know what they hear more about your story. They’re gonna want to get involved with what you’re doing. So talk to us. You talked about the corporate experience that you had. Did you have a marketing background at all? I mean, did you take classes before you started writing this book? Or were you like me a geek without a clue?

Jeremy McDonald
I was a geek without a clue. I was I was a band nerd in high school. And so no, I didn’t I wouldn’t. I was a corporate trainer. I did leadership courses and sales courses and stuff like that, but never marketing.

Janine Bolon
Not marketing. And it’s a whole different animal, isn’t it?

Jeremy McDonald
Yeah.

Janine Bolon
Yeah. So what might surprise you about the book marketing process in general?

Jeremy McDonald
Oh, wow. I thought it was like, you know, I thought I had a great idea. And I thought, you know, hey, there’s no way I’m not going to end up on Oprah. You know, so and so it’s like, what other things were you, you didn’t you don’t realize that you have to get out there and be out there speaking about your book, and I did a 22-state book tour and stuff like that. So it was really surprising to me that it just didn’t fly off the shelves without any work. You know, I’m not gonna lie. I mean, maybe I was naive or something like that, but it didn’t necessarily. When I was with the book, I sold it, you know, but it doesn’t even with some radio shows, I would get on, they would sell but mainly if I was at a book signing and gave a lecture. So then my book would I would sell out, I just sold out copies that I just spoke in a church the other day. And so it’s really the process was different than what I expected. I figured I’d just get on radio shows, and, you know, that kind of stuff. And then they would just fly off the handle, you know, but it didn’t work that way. So.

Janine Bolon
That’s one of those crazy things, isn’t it? But you’re not alone? I mean, I’d say 90 to 95% of the authors that I’ve interviewed thus far, all have said the same thing. No, I didn’t have a marketing background. And I was shocked that my book just didn’t sell. You know, it was mainly I think Hollywood has not done us any favors, no matter what sitcom you’re watching no matter what series, what movie, doesn’t matter. Whenever you hear about an author, they have a publicist that seems to be in their back pocket, or this is my publisher, and they have this mindset that they think that they’re going to be able to have somebody market the book for them. Not quite right. So yeah. So if you had started marketing your book today, let’s let’s wind back the clock, and we go and say, okay, I’m going to launch my book. What are some things that you would do differently today? Now that you know what, you know.

Jeremy McDonald
Well, it’s really funny, because I, like I mentioned, I went on that 22-state book tour. And I actually did have a publicist. And I probably would have listened to her more.

Janine Bolon
Oh you mean take her advice?

Jeremy McDonald
Take her advice, yeah, which I did. I did, I did. But of course, one of those things where I thought, I didn’t realize that my job was to be up there with the book. But what it was I was on the phone trying to book myself with book signings and getting myself out there getting myself on shows, and while I was why wasn’t I let her do her job? And, and instead of wasting my time on doing things that I knew, I figured it was just like, when I everything else I’ve done in life, you know, I’ve always been a great networker. I’ve always been a great connector of people and stuff like that. But I kind of spent a lot of time with clients and stuff like that and helping people and doing book signings instead of me on the phone with her, and spending wasting a lot of time. And my publicist, she says, I don’t know why you just didn’t let me do this stuff for you. And, and so I think what the answer to that question is, I would start listening to people that know what they’re doing, and have done it before, people that have been written several books or are in the the industry of marketing books, that kind of stuff. I would align myself with those people, and actually let them do their job, as opposed to me trying to do everything. So.

Janine Bolon
Right. And that that happens, though, doesn’t it? When you are what we call a technician, when you work for someone else, you get very good at doing what you do. And it doesn’t ever occur to you to ever hand that stuff off. But when you become an author, now you’re an entrepreneur, and when they call us authorpreneurs, now that that term came out in 2009, and an authorpreneur, which is what we are now is we are business owners, and it does not behoove us to take on everything. However, you don’t learn that upfront. So thank you for sharing that Jeremy, because it’s so true. You know, many of us do way too much for ourselves, we really need to be hiring a lot of this stuff out. So talk with, these are my two favorite questions here. They’re the next two, I’m going to be asking you, the first one is what worked best for you? What helps you sell the most books?

Jeremy McDonald
I actually did, and you gotta get the, the place that you’re going to do this app to agree to this. But with that being said, I actually found if I went and did a lecture, even a free lecture at some bookstore, spiritual center, church, whatever. I would sell out; I’d sell like the everybody that was there would buy a book. And then if I did a lecture that was paid by charge for the next day, then they would book into that as well, because they have to get to know you. And so we want to go up there we just expect people in random, you know, Maryland, you know, or Colorado to know me when I live in Florida. They don’t have any idea who you are. But if you go in there and they get a flavor for you, and they were like, this is somebody I want to I want to learn from, this is somebody I want to buy their book or I want to buy their programs and stuff like that. It’s definitely best for them to give them some kind of sampling. And now I did run across stores that were like, Oh, we’re not gonna do anything for free. And I’m like, well, I’m just saying this is what I find works, and this is the model that works, you give them something and then they come in, it’s a good faith, and then they really enjoy it. I had one, I went to, I was in Iowa doing a book study, and there’s 40 people in a room. And every single one of them bought a book. And if I would have had a workshop the next day, at least half of them would have went to it. When I was literally passing through to go to quarterly in Idaho. And so it was one of those things where I just did that model over and over again. And you know, as a result, I’ve heard that first time authors usually sell 40 or 50 books to their friends. So I’ve sold over 2,000 of that type of book.

Janine Bolon
Oh, no, I don’t think people realize that is amazing to get over 700 copies. That puts you in a very high level for self-published authors. Yeah. Very good. Very good. So just let’s dive into this a little bit more, because you know, this works for you. And this is why I love this question so much. So you knew what to do as far as do the free thing first. And then when you had the second offering, what was it that you were offering that was paid for? And what was your price point at the time? Now I realized we’re gonna have to change price points and stuff like that. But just lead us by the hand, if you don’t mind what you did, as far as that second day?

Jeremy McDonald
I did a workshop on it was how to find peace and get centered and balanced. And the first lecture was just about, you know, a sampling of that. And so I went over a few of the bullet points, it was about an hour and 10 minutes long. And the next day, it was a four-hour workshop. And we actually did several exercises on how to look at yourself, things that are in the book, but how to look at yourself in the mirror and saying that I love myself. What that looks like when you start to love yourself and how the world manifests around you. how to face things, these things, like one of my biggest things is I have an addiction to drugs and other things. So that’s in the first chapter of the book. So the first thing I had to give to get to the root. So we go to that what is the root of your addictions and the things that’s distracting you from finding peace in your life. And the interesting part is when you find peace in your life, guess what? Everything else starts, your mind starts getting clearer. So you can start thinking clearly. And so that’s what the next day was about. And I would generally do that for those workshops for about 100 bucks. But this is 10 years ago, by the way.

Janine Bolon
Right. Yeah. See, thank you for the price point. Yeah. And the timeframe. I have to tell people, when I did my eight-state tour, you had 22 states, I went to eight states and that was back in 2005. And my price point for those sorts of workshops was $74. Because that was high end at the time, right? And for you, you’re like $100, and you were five years beyond me, and at $100 for those and so we have to adjust the price point because, boy, let me tell you those gas prices, they’re not what they were in 2005 or 2010.

Jeremy McDonald
No, they definitely were not.

Janine Bolon
We’re at a different time, aren’t we dear? But thank you for walking us through that. Because those are the those are the tips that will help these debut authors understand the mindset that you have to have is very different from what you’re used to when you work for somebody else. Okay. So that was the positive, what worked well for you. And thank you for sharing your golden nugget with us on that. Now let’s talk about the ever so savory problem of what was an epic failure for you. Like you thought this was going to be all systems go and it ended up being the worst thing you could have done to buy sell books.

Jeremy McDonald
Well, the cost of the tour was exorbitantly high, and there was no profit, there was a loss. And so it’s one of those things where you can look at that as an epic failure, or you can look at it as a hey, so what would I do differently on my next book? And I would probably not do a 22-state tour, I would probably do micro tours, you know, I’d fly into like New York and do some areas around there and then come back home, that kind of stuff. And I would look at what is I wasn’t thinking about cost. I was literally like, let’s just get out there and do it’s gonna be successful, you know, whatever. And I just know how it’s gonna work because I have a great personality.

Janine Bolon
Well, you do, and your book does speak to that. So yeah, that’s one of those great things. But unfortunately, even though you had books flying out of your box, when you were at that lecture, unfortunately, it didn’t pay for all the cost, did it?

Jeremy McDonald
Right. And that’s the big thing. And so, as if, like you mentioned earlier, we’re authorpreneurs. So that means we’re running a business, so you have to start looking at what your costs gonna be. Why? What’s the return on investment? And maybe it is, it is good to do it at a loss maybe because, you know, the what’s going to help them the momentum that’s going to build, but you have to think about that kind of stuff. And that’s not stuff I thought about at the time. It was, let’s just get this book out there. I’m excited. You know, you know, I know this is gonna work and you know, and I I no regrets, it was probably one of the best things I’ve ever done in my life. But I would, I would plan it out a lot differently than I did the last time. So planning is going to be a super important thing for everybody.

Janine Bolon
Well, and one of the things I would like to share is that this model works very well, by the way, and it does nowadays, like I’m getting ready to head to the Midwest and I’m headed there for personal reasons; it’s my 30th high school reunion. I have absolutely no desire to go to that other than I am going to be meeting two people I haven’t seen in 30 years. And I am looking forward to that part of it. But on the way there, I’m hitting Writers Group for my book, Author Podcasting, How to be a Standout Guest. So I’m hitting all these writers groups as I’m taking that trip along, so that I was planning on going anyway. So the planned profitability of this trip is I was making the expense anyway, on a personal level, but now I’m also layering that with a business side of the of the trip as well. And so all of a sudden, what went as just a straight out expense personally, I’m actually going to be able to cost that out then for the business. And so some people would be like, well, Janine, you’re not really making any money you’re still in the red. And I’m like, yeah, but I’m, I’m able to meet more people in ways I never would before. So your model works as long as you have the right mindset, which is what you just said, you know, you wouldn’t trade it for anything. You were you were in 22 states, dude.

Jeremy McDonald
Yeah, that sounds incredible. Yeah, that model you just we just talked about too like, I have a lot of clients and people in Denver. And so one of the things that, I have another friend that’s given a move out there, and I was like, guess what, I’m gonna be doing a tour out in Denver, and I’m staying with you. And they’re like, not a problem. Well, what does that do? It reduces your costs. And then you also get to visit with friends that you care about, right? And so you can make a twofold and then you get to write it off as business expense, because it’s a business trip.

Janine Bolon
It is. And I have a friend that does the Airbnb. And so she was saying, which states are you going to be in? And where are you going to be? Because she has different properties throughout and I was able to get it at a significant discount, and I’m staying in these Airbnb homes. So yeah, life is, it’s lovely, start talking to your readers, start talking to your listeners and your friends and they’ll be able to help you with that profitability margin. Because when it comes to books, you have very low profitability. I mean, you’re making maybe a buck, three bucks a book, by the time you incorporate all the costs of the book. However, if you’re smart, like Jeremy was, and then you wait a day, and then you have some sort of a workshop for $149 $179, figure it out, figure out what your price point is going to be, then you can start getting some of that money back. So anyway, well, if you don’t mind, Jeremy, share with us a story that you like to tell your audience that that gets a laugh. What what is the story that you tell about yourself on there?

Jeremy McDonald
Oh, my goodness, I have so many of them. I’m actually kind of kind of goofy as a person. So it’s like one of those things where I love to laugh. And one of the in my book, I actually refer to myself as the drama queen. And the reason why I refer to myself as that is because I’m, I’m talking about, you know, judging other people. And so and how do we do that? And you know, how we look at somebody say, man, they’re a drama queen. But when you really stop back and look, we’re all at some level, a little bit of a drama queen.

Janine Bolon
I will agree. I will step into that circle.

Jeremy McDonald
And people will, people will laugh. And it’s one of those things where I kind of give, I’m a klutz, I’m a six foot five, man that has no coordination whatsoever. But I’ve worked really hard on it. And so it’s one of those things where one of my, one of my silliest, most embarrassing moments is I was, I was a young man, looking at somebody that I thought was attractive, and I ended up tripping in front of them, and falling over instead of being cool. I was definitely the klutz. Fortunately, it got me a date, but you know, I’m not sure how it did. But it’s one of those things where we all have these stories, that we have these silly little stories, but my biggest one is, you know, I just have random things that happen to me. But I’m looking at it as a thing where that wasn’t, these are just opportunities and also just being human. And so but I have a ton of them, a ton of stories, but I don’t think we have enough time for us to talk about all that.

Janine Bolon
I enjoy getting authors to mention one or two, because then it gives these debut authors that are going to be reading the book as well as listening to the interviews gives them an opportunity to see look, we basically air not necessarily our dirty laundry, but we talk about ourselves much like comedians, you know, because our job is to entertain just a little bit. So, go ahead.

Jeremy McDonald
I was just saying here’s what here’s a funny story. So I was very shy kid. And I never thought in a million years I would ever be a public speaker. And how I ended up in public speaking is I was a quality assurance rep at a call center for a bank called Beneficial National Bank at the time. And so, my boss came up to me and said, would you like to teach this class? And I’m like, okay. And so I went, because I have this, I have this rule that if it scares me, I should probably do it. Unless it’s to walk in front of a Mack truck. But that’s not going to happen. That’s not fear, that’s just smart. And so well, anyways, long story short, I was like, 23 years old. And I went, I went in there. And I don’t remember anybody remembers the JNCO jeans, the really baggy ones.

Janine Bolon
Oh, my goodness. Yes, I do. Yes. It’s been a while since I’ve heard the term.

Jeremy McDonald
So I’m wearing a pair of those and they have to film me and this is how long ago this was, it was a VHS tape. And so I am shaking. I’m literally shaking, because I’m so nervous. But these are colleagues and people I know. But what ended up happening is something clicked in me. And I got what I call the trainer’s bug. And literally because I took that step through my fear, it helped me become who I am today. And so you know, there’s one, there’s always something on the other side of fear. And it’s usually a lot better than what we think it is. So

Janine Bolon
Yep. Can we walk through the chaos?

Jeremy McDonald
Absolutely.

Janine Bolon
So what was the biggest change that you’ve seen in yourself since you started marketing your book?

Jeremy McDonald
Confidence, you know, it’s one of those things where I was so nervous about writing, and there was, you know, going through the editing process and everything else like that. And there was all this doubt, how can I get this on paper? And so now since then, I’ve had a blog, and I write stuff for my social media posts, I’ve written several articles and all this other kind of stuff. I’m, I decided this year to go back and get a master’s degree. And so writing papers is easy for me, well, this is the guy that got a D in English in college. So, but I’m getting A’s. That’s what’s kind of cool, you know. And so, what’s changed is I don’t necessarily think about all those things that make us that block us too, that make us fearful not to say that they don’t come up, but then I just face them, and we move on. And so that wouldn’t have happened to me when I was 25 years old, or 30 years old, or even 35 years old. And that’s a big change.

Janine Bolon
That’s awesome. Thanks for sharing so much about yourself, I really do appreciate it. So now let’s talk to our debut authors that are going to be listening to this as well as reading the book. And what are the top five tips that you would give a debut author about selling their books?

Jeremy McDonald
Well, one thing speak from the heart, right from the heart. And when you go on radio shows or anything like that, to advertise your book, or market your book, speak from the heart. Don’t worry so much about what people are going to think, how they’re going to think it. I mean, you know, coming on, and talking about my addictions, and stuff like that in the first chapter that that was risky to me at the time. And, but I thought, you know, let’s just let it all out there. Because people want authenticity, and they don’t want to have somebody that studied a subject when they want to be authentic. I guess the second thing I would say to everybody else that quit trying to cram everything into one book.

Janine Bolon
Like, like, it’s brilliant, nobody is so well said.

Jeremy McDonald
So nobody wants to read a War and Peace, you know, generally what you you write could be broken into 5-10 books, which is better and because people have the attention span of really about five, you know, five minutes.

Jeremy McDonald
And so the third thing is is that utilize social media and people never want to use utilize social media and people say well, nobody buys off of it and then I’m like, well, it’s called social media for a reason. They don’t want to be marketed to they want to connect with you. So I’ve had a lot of people that have bought my book over the past for this is a hard lesson I learned by the way because I would always market, market, market, market, market and then I realized that the people just want to get to know you. And so once they get to know you they’re like I really want to see what this book is all about and then they buy it and then you know when they start making comments on when you post.

Jeremy McDonald
I just posted the other day I read like I open my book every once in a while, we have to learn from myself. So I will open this book up and or open up the the exact pages I will need to read so I took a picture of it. I posted on Facebook. And so people started making comments everybody needs to buy this book. This is a book that everybody should have and I thought well that’s a testimonial and then when at the end, I just posted a link, no, no strong arm marketing, they got to read a portion of the book. And then they got comments. And then they started thinking well I want to buy the book. So I saw books that way, off of my Amazon account. And so those are things where it’s very light and stuff like that. And really, and then practice if it’s a self-help book. I mean, not everybody’s reading self-help books, but it’s a self-help book, literally be the demonstration of what that is. And so because people don’t want to buy books from people that don’t actually live, what they’re what they’re saying.

Jeremy McDonald
You know, if it’s a fantasy book, I have a friend that just emailed me his book yesterday. And it’s a fantasy book. And so and it’s absolutely amazing. And so one of the things you can do is just put small excerpts on there people like, wow, it looks like a really good story. Well, why? Because you have to draw people’s attention. And so, I mean, there’s, there’s quite a few things you can be doing. But make sure that one of the things I’ve learned about marketing is like, I always think of this way, think of it as a big party. And you invite people to read your book that you want to have at the party, and, and for and then you start thinking about the people that would actually benefit. And so it becomes this enjoyable thing. I don’t know why that’s just the way a friend of mine told me that years ago about her books that she did. And she sold a lot of books. And so she’s like, think about it, as a party, stop thinking about it, if you stop thinking about selling it, and start enjoying being a part of getting it out there, then it changes the whole dynamic of the energy. So.

Janine Bolon
Yeah, and then it becomes fun. And if you’re doing stuff that’s fun people want to be a part of that, you know, so well said. What do you think was the biggest thing you misunderstood about becoming an author?

Jeremy McDonald
Well, first of all, it doesn’t make you a lot of money. The funny, this is a interesting story. I, I was teaching a new hire class a few years ago, probably about eight years ago, and the book had already been out for a year or two. And somebody says to me, Jeremy, you’re famous. And I’m like, I’m like, what? What are you talking about? Well, they Google searched me and saw the books, all the radio shows I’ve been on all that kind of stuff. I said, why I tell you this, but fame does not pay the bills. That’s the reason why I’m here with you guys. So I, but why don’t we do it? Are we doing it for fame? Are we doing it for the joy of actually contributing something that helps people inspire people? Or gets people excited? That kind of stuff. Are we doing for those reasons? Are we doing it because we want to be JK Rowling or, you know, anybody, you know, that’s out there. And, and I’m really doing this because I really want to help people and share my love of life. And so if I get to do that, and I get paid for, how amazing is that, and so and I get to travel, so my two favorite things in the world are inspiring people and traveling. So if I get to do that, then Jeremy is a pretty happy guy. And so I guess with that being said that learning those things, and what why I’m really doing this is probably my biggest lessons are the things I gain from it.

Janine Bolon
Right? That was the thing that kind of turned it around for you. Why am I an author, you know, and you get clarity on that the longer you are call yourself an author is the more you get clarity on that. So this, you may have already answered it, but I still like to give you an opportunity to reword it, and that is what is the primary thing that was the biggest reward for you at being an author?

Jeremy McDonald
Well, I would say a couple things, the one is to get over my fear of doing it. I have a big fear around doing it. And the second was connecting with people. I absolutely love connecting with people. Even like when I would interview for jobs, you know, the corporate jobs, things like you wrote a book. For some reason, that’s a big deal. Like, yeah, everybody has a book in them. But the biggest thing was connecting with people and my overcoming the fears that I had around that and the confidence there’s just so much to be said for writing a book. And, and putting it out there and literally baring your soul and your own thoughts or whatever it is that you’re doing. And there’s tons of things out there. I mean, I have a friend that just put out a cookbook, and you know, why not? And they happen to be a very good cook, so why not share that with other people?

Janine Bolon
Exactly. Exactly. Well, if people want to find out more about your work, where’s the best place for them to go.

Jeremy McDonald
So StorytellingAlchemist.com is my is my website. And that will take you directly into there. My social media links around there, and links to buy the book are there. I also have free audio files of me talking and lecturing and connections to my YouTube channel, which is has my show from the Los Angeles Tribune on it.

Janine Bolon
Cool. And any last gold nuggets you wish to drop on us, before we take off?

Jeremy McDonald
Well, I would just say don’t give up. You know, there’s gonna be days where you’re gonna be like, Oh, I don’t want to do this, or this isn’t gonna work. That’s the day you should be working. That’s the day you should pour your heart into it. Because through those things, you’re gonna get the best warrants of wisdom, you’re gonna get the best rewards of feeling accomplishment. And so those days where you just feel like you don’t want to do anything, get up and do something. So and don’t give up. So that’s what I leave with everybody.

Janine Bolon
Thank you for your time today and being one of our spotlighted authors, Jeremy, I appreciate you.

Jeremy McDonald
Thank you so much for having me.

Janine Bolon
And that’s it. Jeremy has answered our questions and has got more information in store for you with his latest work in go check it out on his website, go ahead and say that again for us.

Jeremy McDonald
StorytellingAlchemist.com.

Janine Bolon
And if you were an author, or you know of an author that you would like us to spotlight, please visit our website at AuthorPodcasting.com where you will find the 99 Author Project. We talk to all authors from all walks of life as we build up book number 12, which is Advice from Authors to Authors that’s due out in 2023. And this is Janine Bolon signing off with you today and all of us here at the 8 Gates that produces The Janine Bolon Show. We wish you a wonderful week and encourage you to get your message, your story, or your knowledge out into the world and make it a better place just like these authors are doing that we’re interviewing this year. We’ll see you again next week. And until then, keep sharing what you know, keep shining that light that is you and don’t forget to go out today and just do something for yourself that’s just plain fun. See you next week.

Bryan Hyde
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